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superstar - founder
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You want a Crouch Statistic wallys here is one.

Liverpool has spent 10 years(93 in total) more than United in Top Flight (not your fault though) and have one in 18 times......Some maths.....

93/18= 5.17
83/17= 4.88

So United in essence have a better record in Top Flight.

Note: The Term "Crouch Statistic" derives from Rafalution19's statement that "if you add up the minutes that Peter Crouch Played in the Premier League in the 2006/07 season (could be 05/06) and divided it by the goals he scored, he had the best minutes to goal ratio in the League"

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superstar - moderator
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please dont waste my time.. check the uploaded file...

superstar - founder
389 posts

Where?

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superstar - moderator
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Honours

 

Newton Heath L&YR F.C. (Manchester United)

est. in 1878

 

 

League : 17

European Cup : 3

FA Cup : 11

League Cup : 2

 

 

Liverpool F.C

est. in 1892 (Yes! 14 years younger)

 

League : 18

European Cup : 5

FA Cup : 7

League : 7

 

 

 

Really no need to name the rest as all the “Big 4” managers often say they can compete on “all four fronts”, and if you haven’t noticed the above is the 4 they are talking about. Liverpool have won 3 out of the 4 trophies more than united. So Andrew, please can you next time say… “this is not an attack on Liverpool and just an interesting statistic” because as a fan of the most successful British Club, I will take offecnce and on your part that aint right mate.

superstar - moderator
509 posts

i apologise, i tried to upload a word doc and it came out like this. Didnt mean to be so big

superstar - founder
389 posts

Now this is a perfect example of "Whatever suits Liverpool" because for the last year you have been saying the top TWO trophies in the world and now its the Top FOUR. Shame hey what about Top 3 and the true top Three and most important 3 trophies a english team could have.

1. The Premier League. (Top league in England)
2. The Champions League (Top Flight in Europe)
3. The F.A Cup (Top Cup in England)

Lets leave the League cup out the same way we leave the cup winners and the uefa cup out of this. The League Cup is a important cup to all manangers as this gives them the chance to play their youngsters. You know for a 100% fact that if liverpool were playing arsenal in the LC on Wednesday and Chelsea on Saturday and gerrard had a small niggle he wouldnt start him but if it was FA cup you would. League cup is the Second highest cup competition in England and takes a back seat to FA. Saying this lets look at the totals.

United

League = 17
UCL = 3
FA Cup = 11

Total = 31

Liverpool
League = 18
UCL = 5
FA Cup = 7
Total = 30

But you know what i understand that this debate could come to a stale mate so lets have a look and the DIRECT competition between the two clubs and see who come out on top. United and Liverpool have been paired up 176 times in all competitions and the results are.

United 68 Draw 50 Liverpool 58

So we have beaten you 10 times more. which means taking no other fact expect this we are dominant over you.

GGMU

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superstar - moderator
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Your point is immediately invalid the second you say "it was the top 2 last year and this year i say top 4" You must add into your post why i said it was the top 2 (it does really make more sense) ... It is because last year you only counted the top 3... saying that the league cup is pointless, now you say its something(a typical napaman tactic). Last year i said top 2 only because if you drop the league cup (which is what you did last year and now again) then why not drop the FA cup because without question it is not in the same league as the premier league and champions league but probably closer to the carling cup. Last year, this was my point and if thats is the case then:

Liverpool : 18 League                              Manchester Utd: 17 League
                5  Champions league                                       3  Champions League

The problem with you (and it is not only on this occasion) is that you'll say that I said this and i said that but you'll never give the full story behind it because in actual fact when it comes to you it is "always what suits united".. So please do not try turn it around and just be a truthful person. The truth is that whenever you hear the word "Liverpool" you always have to say something negitive or insult and critisize. You always say you a football fan but why do you do this then?

I do respect the fact that United have beaten us more time than we've beaten you, but it does mean nothing.. Just like the fact that we have accumulated more points than every premier league side over the late 20 or 21 premier league games.

Another question i have is why do commentators and experts still say that Liverpool is the most decorated British club? (by the way so does wikipedia  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_F.C. and they do add the Carling cup in there) If you want to create topics critisizing liverpool then obviously you going to get a defensive reply. If you want to avoid this please next time say:

 “this is not an attack on Liverpool and just an interesting statistic”  (But obviously you don't want to avoid argument)


Remember i dont critisize united as i feel these arguments are pointless. The only time i'll get into a battle of words is when i'm just defending yours or shmilingis comments (thats where christina united came from by the way) or if i'm asked for my opinion. Now please lets not waste each others time or at least, please don't waste mine and come up with another invalid or "off the topic" point. I'm asking nicely.



superstar - founder
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The is a Debate and everything is a attack on Liverpool. But why does everything have to go your way. Top 2 trophies or top 4 trophies blah blah whatever suits you better. But now you are saying "decorated" well done you are the most decorated.

Anwser the two questions please. no explantations please just true or false.

Ryan Giggs is the best player england has ever seen because he is the most decorated?

Liverpool ss the best team england has ever seen because they are the most decorated?

TRUE OR FALSE.

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superstar - moderator
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I will not do whatever suits you again.. True or False only and blah blah blah.. You obviously enjoy arguing but cant be reasonable.

1st of all, 2 or 4 trophies is irrelevent. This is your stupidity, not mine. But, Thanks for  proving my point, another invalid point and changing topics again...

When you talk about a players success and a teams success you are talking about 2 totally different topics. You can't say whatever applys to the one applys to the other. There is an amount of + - 25 squad members and a manager, medical staff and many other staff members and factors that make up a team. If it worked that way you say then all uniteds players are better than everybody elses players in the Europe. Please lets not go off the topic again. If you asked me who the best team at the moment is United, then i'll say you right, and I have already, but when you talk about your history been better than ours..you only fooling yourself.

You gave me your statistics, I gave you the facts and it has obviously upset you. I honestly dont care about United and seeing that you dont want to let this rest then i will. If you want to don't want to talk sense and not be bias and attack Liverpool will every opportunity you feel then ok, we can have a debate, but until then... Please don't waste my time... Again!
superstar - founder
389 posts

That is my point you cant say the most decorated is the best. So Liverpool is not the best club in the world. All your taunts of "we the most successfull british Club" means absolutely fuck all. Have some fucking repsect for the champions of England and Europe ok.

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superstar - moderator
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Dont go off the topic:

Dont go off the topic:<br /><br /><div><div class="text"><p>You want a Crouch Statistic wallys here is one.</p> <p>Liverpool has spent 10 years(93 in total) more than United in Top Flight (not your fault though) and have one in 18 times......Some maths.....</p> <p>93/18= 5.17<br />83/17= 4.88</p> <p>So United in essence have a better record in Top Flight.</p> <p>Note: The Term &quot;Crouch Statistic&quot; derives from Rafalution19's statement that &quot;if you add up the minutes that Peter Crouch Played in the Premier League in the 2006/07 season (could be 05/06) and divided it by the goals he scored, he had the best minutes to goal ratio in the League&quot;</p></div></div><br /><br />Who said Liverpool is the best? This is my whole point



Who said Liverpool is the best? This is my whole point
superstar - founder
389 posts

This topic is Manchester united and liverpool. You mentioned decorated in your 3rd or 4th

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superstar - moderator
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Yes but your topic is about records and that normally represents history not present. You very contradicting. First you say:

So United in essence have a better record in Top Flight.

Then you say:

All your taunts of "we the most successfull british Club" means absolutely fuck all.

Whats your point because that means your first post is pointless. You always change the topic when you have to. All i'm saying if we gonna have a proper debate about something then lets have one. But lets not make the whole thing pointless.

superstar - founder
389 posts

Isnt the entire United and Liverpool Debate pointless? Will you ever ever say We are the better team? No. Will I ever say liverpool is the better team? No. Since I have met you United had been by far the most superior team and you still say we shit. Thst is what this entire topic is about.

About the first post I made on this topic. I clearly said it is a "crouch Statistic and you know it means Fuck All.

In every post In this topic (which is not about records but is called "Manchester United and Liverpool Debate") I have replied to your previous post as an "answered" thats how a forum works but you are the one going off topic and you are the one answering the my post by attacking me personally.

"So Andrew, please can you next time say… “this is not an attack on Liverpool and just an interesting statistic” because as a fan of the most successful British Club, I will take offecnce and on your part that aint right mate. "

"just be a truthful person"

"This is your stupidity, not mine"

"You very contradicting."

So Sergio please stop attacking me and simply answer the previous post.

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superstar - moderator
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huh? you actually completely way off my friend. My reply to peteskee on topic "What must Liverpool to prove they are title contenders". You are sitting behind us at the moment and i still think you'll finish above us so whats are you actually saying? I even said in my first post on that topic that i thought united and chelsea will finish above Liverpool. I've said more than once this season that united is better than Liverpool, it is proven. But i dont think winning the league is impossible.

You the one who will never say anything positive about liverpool so how can we have a debate. I only attack you coz you way too bias buddy and all you do is attack Liverpool (even when they firing). Maybe you shoud change your topic to "Liverpool Attack". Sometimes attacking a persons team can feel like a personal attack.

If Liverpool dropped points yesterday it would have been "slate Rafa and Liverpool week". Even if its to Man City(a) where United lost last season and still won the league. Now they have a better side. We were also 2-0 down. Instead of starting to give some credit to liverpool where they deserve, it sometimes feels its completely the opposite.

Unless i was completely joking, this season I haven't said once that we are gonna win the league and that we are the best team in the world and so forth. However, Shmilingi and yourself always seem to put words in my mouth and say i'm going mad about liverpool but it really is not. Dont get upset when i defend your comments. Whatever I have said has been fair or at least way fairer than you. Our recent results is a bit of proof that i haven't been completely off about my teams assesment. Its not like i'm a Man City fan dreaming we can win the league.
superstar - founder
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RE, Peteskee hasnt even posted once on this topic???????? What are YOU talking about. You comment that united and Chelsea were posted on another Topic not this one buddy. Maybe you getting confused on which post is on which topic and you think im going off topic.

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superstar - moderator
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i havent posted here cos i dont think i should get involved...looks like a touchy topic! but in Sergios defense he did say i commented on the other topic bout it - have a look Kiri... and he has always said United are btter at the moment but thats about it from me here ;)

superstar - moderator
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See topic:  What must Liverpool do to prove they are title contenders?

I wasnt talking about this topic, i was just replying to:

Will you ever ever say We are the better team? No. Will I ever say liverpool is the better team? No.
superstar - moderator
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haha peteskee now can you imagine shmilingi and athos on here. I think it'd be enough to make me sick
superstar - founder
389 posts

OK makes sense to me now.

Why arent shmilingi and Athos participating anyways?

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