Remeber Rafa i dont comment only on what you say on here i comment on what you say to me in general and yes you did mention the ronaldo bolton affair to me, the blackburn opening goal to me. so dont only consider what you say here because unlike you i say the same things on here as i say to you in person. Why do you say i come out the blue and critisise Livepool, the Gerrard dive was current affairs on Wednesday so should we not talk about it?
How can you say that about Wayne Rooney lad he has scored 17-19-23-18-5 goals since coming to united and he is only turned 23 what more do you want from a player who is a striker and in your opinion has a workrate that is "comparable" to Kyut? he is a class player that will only get better over time, Torres yes is class no doubt but the lad is reaching the right age for a striker in march he will be 25, perfect age and prime for a striker, can you imaging rooney at that age? Have a little respect for the kid not even your great fucking Torres did what Rooney has done up till this stage of his life.
All im saying is you are very quick to judge a game and judge a call but when someone else does and its not a good thing for liverpool you call them idiots, they dont know what they saying, they are bias against liverpool, they dont watch the liverpool games, they are unfair, blah blah sotries. the only time you will ever agree isif its on a liverpool site. So the debate about rightresults.net wether you like it or not is a group of guys that dedicate there lives to try and determine what the correct score would have been. this is there jobs and there source of income. so if in there honest opinion nd judging think that liverpool would have finished 5th why are they wrong? why are you correct and them wrong? why can you say the score would have been different to what they say? Be a little open minded and go read why they think the result would have been what they say. Because i promise if they said liverpool should have one the league you would be in agreement. The reason i found this sight is not to say ah look you should have finished 5th and you are shit. it was to show you that there is a table that shows which teams more dicisions for or against them and that United are not the most favourable team with the refs. its fairly even.
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the Gerrard dive was current affairs on Wednesday so should we not talk about it?
Call Ronaldo a cheat before you call Gerrard one! Stop been bias... and i say the same things in person but you've got to understand the difference between joking around and having an honest debate because i can tell you in person that united is shit and ferdinand is crap but do i really mean it? Theres jokes and playing around ( like you do a lot of the time) and thes "honest debate"... Thats the difference on here and in person.. On here i will cut out the crap and speak honestly and as least bias as possible!
About Rooney, you are getting me wrong.. I think hes good, but not living up to the "best striker in the world" category YET!
There was big difference between athletico (2 years ago) and liverpool. Rooneys been playing in one of the best teams in the world for the past 4 years!! please my man!
. So the debate about rightresults.net wether you like it or not is a group of guys that dedicate there lives to try and determine what the correct score would have been. this is there jobs and there source of income.
If you dont understand what i told you about this topic previously then please lets drop the subject because it will go nowhere for me.. We on 2 different pages here!
Anyway think what you want about refs and united and refs and liverpool..We all entitled to our own opinion, But what disappoints me is that come on here and call Gerrard a cheat before you've ever said anything like that about Ronaldo! That is complete biasness and it makes this whole debate pointless. Thats how this whole debate started.
Call Ronaldo a cheat before you call Gerrard one! Stop been bias... and i say the same things in person but you've got to understand the difference between joking around and having an honest debate because i can tell you in person that united is shit and ferdinand is crap but do i really mean it? Theres jokes and playing around ( like you do a lot of the time) and thes "honest debate"... Thats the difference on here and in person.. On here i will cut out the crap and speak honestly and as least bias as possible!
About Rooney, you are getting me wrong.. I think hes good, but not living up to the "best striker in the world" category YET!
Have a little respect for the kid not even your great fucking Torres did what Rooney has done up till this stage of his life.
There was big difference between athletico (2 years ago) and liverpool. Rooneys been playing in one of the best teams in the world for the past 4 years!! please my man!
. So the debate about rightresults.net wether you like it or not is a group of guys that dedicate there lives to try and determine what the correct score would have been. this is there jobs and there source of income.
If you dont understand what i told you about this topic previously then please lets drop the subject because it will go nowhere for me.. We on 2 different pages here!
Anyway think what you want about refs and united and refs and liverpool..We all entitled to our own opinion, But what disappoints me is that come on here and call Gerrard a cheat before you've ever said anything like that about Ronaldo! That is complete biasness and it makes this whole debate pointless. Thats how this whole debate started.
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Peteskee..Out of that zone i see.. Nice one, you oaks are looking good all of a sudden
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see what happens Lads Liverpool win and United lose and there is nothing to talk about. Its like the whole forum is shocked. I know lads this doesnt happen very often and you are left speachless. but dont worry lads we will return, we will fire and we will be on top of the table come new year.
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You got it wrong son... the forum has gone quiet coz the 2 united fans on here have been hiding coz you are still hurt by your lose, which i dont blame you for... and i dont want to go bragging about liverpool now coz we'll just get into another arguement wont we? not only that its also still early days and if i say something about liverpool then it will seem like to you guys that i think we gonna win the league ... Thats why i thought lets talk about spurs...
Its going to talk a miracle to stop Chelsea it seems although you never know, they have united liverpool and arsenal all away in the 2nd half of the season.
Anyways, looks like Masch is the new argentinian captain... Surely that means Fletcher can walk into the Argentine sqaud and captain them?
And to finish my post.... NASSSSSSSRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its going to talk a miracle to stop Chelsea it seems although you never know, they have united liverpool and arsenal all away in the 2nd half of the season.
Anyways, looks like Masch is the new argentinian captain... Surely that means Fletcher can walk into the Argentine sqaud and captain them?
And to finish my post.... NASSSSSSSRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Not once have i said that Fletcher would be a better captain choice than Masch, But i did say that Carrick would walk into Liverpool and be handed the armband whahahahahahaha. You Say that Chelsea have all away games in the 2nd half, that right son United have all you wankers at OT, and you will feal the WRATH of SAF.
I obviously feel kak that we lost on saturday but im glad that we were involved in one heck of a game. Very fast and top skill from both sides unfortunately we didnt convert our chances and we have to should we want to lift a trophy in May.
Liverpool 1-2 Spurs tonight, fucker.
I obviously feel kak that we lost on saturday but im glad that we were involved in one heck of a game. Very fast and top skill from both sides unfortunately we didnt convert our chances and we have to should we want to lift a trophy in May.
Liverpool 1-2 Spurs tonight, fucker.
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You Say that Chelsea have all away games in the 2nd half, that right son United have all you wankers at OT, and you will feal the WRATH of SAF.
Fair enough but it aint a guaranteed 9pts son.. If you draw 2 of those its game over. But you never know.. Arsenal could be on top by then...
I obviously feel kak that we lost on saturday but im glad that we were involved in one heck of a game. Very fast and top skill from both sides unfortunately we didnt convert our chances and we have to should we want to lift a trophy in May.
I would just like to say something about this.. United played well but didnt create enough clear cut chances for their ability in my opinion. Arsenal on the other hand, didn't keep the ball and move it around as well as united but create better chances.. This was the difference between the 2 sides.. What i dont understand about united (and please dont take this as an attack) is that why does SAF still play that toad at right back? Brown and Rafael are surely better... I'd have brown as first choice and phase in Rafael as he is still very young but very talented too. Another thing i'd like to say, and i better be very careful by saying this because i know the other 3 main members of this forum might take offence because you all love the man.. But dont you guys feel that berbs has disrupted an almost unstoppable comination? Now please, again i'm just saying this as an opinion and i might be wrong, but the way it looks like to me is that united lack that bit of the "Tevez energy"of last season. He ran defenders silly and opened up so much space for Ronaldo and Rooney too. Berbs is a top class played and probably one of the best in the world but from what i see it looks as though united are still missing that out an out striker. Not saying that Berbs is a bad buy but could you imagine Torres or Drogba in United? Maybe SAF has other ideas and he probably does but why did he need to get new formula upfront together? He had a winning one already. Maybe this attack needs to settle but i dont understand it, seriously.
Liverpool 1-2 Spurs tonight, fucker.
The game is at the Lane by the way... and wouldnt be suprised if we lost coz Rafa is going full on 2nd string here... Maybe + Torres but he aint match fit here. Gerrard and Keane wont even be on the bench. Not making excuses but its reality.
Fair enough but it aint a guaranteed 9pts son.. If you draw 2 of those its game over. But you never know.. Arsenal could be on top by then...
I obviously feel kak that we lost on saturday but im glad that we were involved in one heck of a game. Very fast and top skill from both sides unfortunately we didnt convert our chances and we have to should we want to lift a trophy in May.
I would just like to say something about this.. United played well but didnt create enough clear cut chances for their ability in my opinion. Arsenal on the other hand, didn't keep the ball and move it around as well as united but create better chances.. This was the difference between the 2 sides.. What i dont understand about united (and please dont take this as an attack) is that why does SAF still play that toad at right back? Brown and Rafael are surely better... I'd have brown as first choice and phase in Rafael as he is still very young but very talented too. Another thing i'd like to say, and i better be very careful by saying this because i know the other 3 main members of this forum might take offence because you all love the man.. But dont you guys feel that berbs has disrupted an almost unstoppable comination? Now please, again i'm just saying this as an opinion and i might be wrong, but the way it looks like to me is that united lack that bit of the "Tevez energy"of last season. He ran defenders silly and opened up so much space for Ronaldo and Rooney too. Berbs is a top class played and probably one of the best in the world but from what i see it looks as though united are still missing that out an out striker. Not saying that Berbs is a bad buy but could you imagine Torres or Drogba in United? Maybe SAF has other ideas and he probably does but why did he need to get new formula upfront together? He had a winning one already. Maybe this attack needs to settle but i dont understand it, seriously.
Liverpool 1-2 Spurs tonight, fucker.
The game is at the Lane by the way... and wouldnt be suprised if we lost coz Rafa is going full on 2nd string here... Maybe + Torres but he aint match fit here. Gerrard and Keane wont even be on the bench. Not making excuses but its reality.
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Sup boys my my my wooooooh fuck ive been away long missed u little fockers! haha
Been writing exams fuck me they kill hate that shit...finished now so more forum and WOW time oh yeah KIZMEAZ!
Heres an interesting clip from an article i saw that a United supporter wrote...
Here is a quick table outlining the influence of the clashes between the top teams and the eventual winner of the League:
2002/03
PREMIER LEAGUE: Man U 83pts, Arsenal 78, Chelsea 67, Liverpool 64
BIG FOUR LEAGUE: Man U 14pts, Arsenal 7, Liverpool 5, Chelsea 5
2003/04
PREMIER LEAGUE: Arsenal 90pts, Chelsea 79, Man U 75, Liverpool 60
BIG FOUR LEAGUE: Arsenal 14pts, Chelsea 7, Man U 6, Liverpool 6
2004/05
PREMIER LEAGUE: Chelsea 95pts, Arsenal 83, Man U 77, Liverpool 58
BIG FOUR LEAGUE: Chelsea 14pts, Man U 12, Arsenal 5, Liverpool 3
2005/06
PREMIER LEAGUE: Chelsea 91pts, Man U 83, Liverpool 82, Arsenal 67
BIG FOUR LEAGUE: Chelsea 15pts, Man U 11, Liverpool 4, Arsenal 4
2006/07
PREMIER LEAGUE: Man U 89pts, Chelsea 83, Liverpool 68, Arsenal 68
BIG FOUR LEAGUE: Arsenal 14pts, Man U 11, Liverpool 6, Chelsea 5
2007/08
PREMIER LEAGUE: Man U 87pts, Chelsea 85, Arsenal 83, Liverpool 76
BIG FOUR LEAGUE: Man U 13pts, Chelsea 10, Arsenal 6, Liverpool 4*
Do the rest of the maths yourself. We are in trouble.
I do think records like thses are made( i believe United can still win the league BUT Chelsea have been my pick since start) to be broken but it is def. worth taking note of...let me kno what ya think!
And doggy i was speaking with Nick Kriel and he and me skim its time for Rooney to take that attacking midfield role in front of Carrick i reckon that might be his ultimate position and by doing this u can squeeze that ugly littl Argie in and sort out that center mid cos it was killed at the Emirates at the wknd...no offense at all just telling you my opinion. Center mid is everything in a team thats why Spurs have been so crap cos our Center is woeful...outta the top 4 at the moment i reckon you okes may be last in that department! Sure Carrick has just came back and will be quality there (i rate him huge) but its that attacking mid that needs to be sorted Anderson has huge potential but is often wasteful in possesion..i dunno maybe its cos he is stop start in there?
Gouroooooney is quality bud and should play that position IMO...he just cant hold a top goal scoring run! Imagine you still had Ruuuuuuud? Still the best striker in the game...
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You have played the rest of the top 4 away which is very positive tho and you still are quite close BUT this just emphasises the importance of beating pretty much all of em at OT!
This season is getting very interesting...
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Rafa i agree with you there they could only be better with an out and out striker Berbs and Rooney too similar! Thats Fergies only downfall for me cos when he has a fight with a player thats it no matter what...he should have kept Ruud at all costs IMO! Sure they ave done well without him but they would be so complete for me if United had him and Berbs up front and Rooney behind as attacking mid - fuck me that would be sick especially wit Ronaldo in the mix!
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peteskee, question for you..
Would you rather win the fa cup or play in the champions league next season?
Would you rather win the fa cup or play in the champions league next season?
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2002/03
PREMIER LEAGUE: Man U 83pts, Arsenal 78, Chelsea 67, Liverpool 64
BIG FOUR LEAGUE: Man U 14pts, Arsenal 7, Liverpool 5, Chelsea 5
2003/04
PREMIER LEAGUE: Arsenal 90pts, Chelsea 79, Man U 75, Liverpool 60
BIG FOUR LEAGUE: Arsenal 14pts, Chelsea 7, Man U 6, Liverpool 6
2004/05
PREMIER LEAGUE: Chelsea 95pts, Arsenal 83, Man U 77, Liverpool 58
BIG FOUR LEAGUE: Chelsea 14pts, Man U 12, Arsenal 5, Liverpool 3
2005/06
PREMIER LEAGUE: Chelsea 91pts, Man U 83, Liverpool 82, Arsenal 67
BIG FOUR LEAGUE: Chelsea 15pts, Man U 11, Liverpool 4, Arsenal 4
2006/07
PREMIER LEAGUE: Man U 89pts, Chelsea 83, Liverpool 68, Arsenal 68
BIG FOUR LEAGUE: Arsenal 14pts, Man U 11, Liverpool 6, Chelsea 5
2007/08
PREMIER LEAGUE: Man U 87pts, Chelsea 85, Arsenal 83, Liverpool 76
BIG FOUR LEAGUE: Man U 13pts, Chelsea 10, Arsenal 6, Liverpool 4*
This seaoson so far :
Liverpool played 2: 6pts
Arsenal played 1: 3pts
Chelsea played 2: 1 pt
United Played 3: 1pt
So i think its far to say that united have to win all three of the next big four games. But if Liverpool do what united have to and win 3 out of their next 4 big four games, then i think it'd be fair to say that we can seriously win the league... Or am i just been hopeful?
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peteskee, question for you.. Would you rather win the fa cup or play in the champions league next season?-rafalution19
Champions League buddy! I know trophies make a clubs history but u must understand ive never seen Spurs in the CL...thing is tho i would want us to be playing very well with our team balanced be4 we got into cl wouldnt want us there to make up numbers!
Was just fascinated with how important that mini top 4 league ends up being yesterday...still long to go u right just saying the pressure is on!
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Come on you Spurs!!! cant believe the turn around in our season, i knew the quality was there and u could see last night...we made 7 changes from the team that beat City and i dont care what anyone says only the top 4 can do that now, some might still struggle! U kno ppl always say how can u support such a cuck team but they never really take note and appreciate the way we play last night showed exactly what we capable of sure Pool also made many changes but that was ur first team squad! Spurs always provide some of the best games in a season - last season against Chelsea 4-4 voted best game then us at Arsenal 4-4 & against Villa 4-4...thats right we concede but we play the game the way its supposed to be played! Spurs till i die :)
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Sergio thats an unfair question buddy, we all know tha UCL is super important but that was not my argument with you. What i said to you is leave the carling cup out of things (you keep calling it the Top 4 trophies) and you said to me that if you leave the carling cup out you must leave the FA cup out. You cannot put the FA cup in the same class as the UCL ....BUT you cannot put it in the same class as the Carling cup bud. Its the EPL 1st UCL 2nd FA cup 3rd that is it, no 4th favourite trophy to win or 5th favourite trophy to win and bollocks. United won "THE" Treble in 1999 remember that bud, you also won the "A" treble in the 80' s but not half as prestigeous as our one.
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You cannot put the FA cup in the same class as the UCL ....BUT you cannot put it in the same class as the Carling cup bud
Thats exactly what i say but what gives you the right to exclude the carling cup? its still a trophy. In my opinion is the difference between the fa cup and the champions league is further than the difference bettween the fa cup and the carling cup. This is my point. Yes the Fa cup is nice to win and it the 3rd best trophy, but the carling cup is still 1 of 4 otherwise SAF wouldnt be sitting in the dug out managing you oaks against QPR.
United won "THE" Treble in 1999 remember that bud, you also won the "A" treble in the 80' s but not half as prestigeous as our one.
The treble you won was the best treble available to win yes. But their is a possible achievement higher than that and thats winning the quadruple, yes it includes the carling cup. Chelsea wouldnt have won the double in 2005 if it was a nothing trophy.
The Carling cup is not priority for any of the top 4 but everyone wants to win every game. For Liverpool it might have been a good thing getting knocked out because if they win a trophy this season it'll be well worth it. I dont think we can compete in every trophy just as yet. If we dont win anything this season then last nights defeat was a fuck up but only time will tell if that was the case.
Thats exactly what i say but what gives you the right to exclude the carling cup? its still a trophy. In my opinion is the difference between the fa cup and the champions league is further than the difference bettween the fa cup and the carling cup. This is my point. Yes the Fa cup is nice to win and it the 3rd best trophy, but the carling cup is still 1 of 4 otherwise SAF wouldnt be sitting in the dug out managing you oaks against QPR.
United won "THE" Treble in 1999 remember that bud, you also won the "A" treble in the 80' s but not half as prestigeous as our one.
The treble you won was the best treble available to win yes. But their is a possible achievement higher than that and thats winning the quadruple, yes it includes the carling cup. Chelsea wouldnt have won the double in 2005 if it was a nothing trophy.
The Carling cup is not priority for any of the top 4 but everyone wants to win every game. For Liverpool it might have been a good thing getting knocked out because if they win a trophy this season it'll be well worth it. I dont think we can compete in every trophy just as yet. If we dont win anything this season then last nights defeat was a fuck up but only time will tell if that was the case.
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Pool also made many changes but that was ur first team squad!
Peteskee what you mean?
Peteskee what you mean?
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o its either the top 2(liverpool have won more in total than united) or the top 4(again pool won more) and there is no thing as the top 3???? is this because united have won more?
Are you telling me Liverpool, arsenal, United and Spurs (leave chelsea out as they fielded a fucking strong quad last night) will field weak team in the FA Cup as they do in the Carling.....NO FUCKING WAY. The carling cup is used by the top teams to play the youth and the FA Cup they go all out to win.
You telling me that Rafa feals there is a small difference between the two trophies? Looking at the strength of team he chooses to play against 2 very very weak teams in the FA Cup????againt barnsley and luton I see gerrard, babel, carra, alonso, torres, arbeloa, kuyt, benayoun (and you had crouch) against these teams in the FA Cup!!!!!!! please bud dont compare the FA Cup to the carling as this is a team with 2/3 players rested that make your squad that play UC, just fill in the blanks my man and thats the best liverpool squad you can make.
Are you telling me Liverpool, arsenal, United and Spurs (leave chelsea out as they fielded a fucking strong quad last night) will field weak team in the FA Cup as they do in the Carling.....NO FUCKING WAY. The carling cup is used by the top teams to play the youth and the FA Cup they go all out to win.
You telling me that Rafa feals there is a small difference between the two trophies? Looking at the strength of team he chooses to play against 2 very very weak teams in the FA Cup????againt barnsley and luton I see gerrard, babel, carra, alonso, torres, arbeloa, kuyt, benayoun (and you had crouch) against these teams in the FA Cup!!!!!!! please bud dont compare the FA Cup to the carling as this is a team with 2/3 players rested that make your squad that play UC, just fill in the blanks my man and thats the best liverpool squad you can make.
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o its either the top 2(liverpool have won more in total than united) or
the top 4(again pool won more) and there is no thing as the top 3????
is this because united have won more?
Why you trying to turn it around? You are the one counting only the top 3 because it the only thing that suits united (please note : the first time i brought up "what suits united" was a debate about this exact same thing by the way). Well let me ask you this, why does everybody say that Liverpool is still the most successful british club and not united? Please answer that? (I only brought this up is because i know where you going with this, IM NOT BRAGGING) According to you, and only you, united have won more trophies if you count the top 3 (lets just leave the carling cup out of it why dont we, the FA cup "definately" falls in the same category as the champions league and prem). Thats ridiculous. If we could win the champions league as much as we win the fa cup then real madrid certainly wouldnt be the most successful european team.
You telling me that Rafa feals there is a small difference between the two trophies?
That is completely off of what i said. I said that the difference between the champions league and the fa cup is further from the difference between the fa cup and the carling cup. Dont bring squad selections into the equation. Managers choose to rest there players when they want.. Of course the carling cup is going to have the weekest squad selection from the 4, i'm not arguing that. But dont go saying its a nothing trophy and you make the fa cup sound similar to the champions league... The champions league is far ahead of it... and liverpool have won that 5 times compared to your 3. We can all agree (besides roman abramavich) that we want the premier league before the champions league and we've won that 1 more time more than you have.
Ok lets assume the carling cup is nothing (which apparently we've destroyed you in)
out of the most important trophy, we've won it more than you.
out of the 2nd most important, we've won more than you.
out of the 3rd most important, you've won more than us.
So you saying in the next 20 years you'd rather win the fa cup 12 times (and nothing else) opposed to winning the league 5 times and the champions league 5 times just because its a greater number of trophies? hahahahaha OK!! Debate OVER!!!
the top 4(again pool won more) and there is no thing as the top 3????
is this because united have won more?
Why you trying to turn it around? You are the one counting only the top 3 because it the only thing that suits united (please note : the first time i brought up "what suits united" was a debate about this exact same thing by the way). Well let me ask you this, why does everybody say that Liverpool is still the most successful british club and not united? Please answer that? (I only brought this up is because i know where you going with this, IM NOT BRAGGING) According to you, and only you, united have won more trophies if you count the top 3 (lets just leave the carling cup out of it why dont we, the FA cup "definately" falls in the same category as the champions league and prem). Thats ridiculous. If we could win the champions league as much as we win the fa cup then real madrid certainly wouldnt be the most successful european team.
You telling me that Rafa feals there is a small difference between the two trophies?
That is completely off of what i said. I said that the difference between the champions league and the fa cup is further from the difference between the fa cup and the carling cup. Dont bring squad selections into the equation. Managers choose to rest there players when they want.. Of course the carling cup is going to have the weekest squad selection from the 4, i'm not arguing that. But dont go saying its a nothing trophy and you make the fa cup sound similar to the champions league... The champions league is far ahead of it... and liverpool have won that 5 times compared to your 3. We can all agree (besides roman abramavich) that we want the premier league before the champions league and we've won that 1 more time more than you have.
Ok lets assume the carling cup is nothing (which apparently we've destroyed you in)
out of the most important trophy, we've won it more than you.
out of the 2nd most important, we've won more than you.
out of the 3rd most important, you've won more than us.
So you saying in the next 20 years you'd rather win the fa cup 12 times (and nothing else) opposed to winning the league 5 times and the champions league 5 times just because its a greater number of trophies? hahahahaha OK!! Debate OVER!!!
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Pool also made many changes but that was ur first team squad!Peteskee what you mean?-rafalution19
Meant nothing ugly about it just woke up and saw plenty pool fans carrying on like they played their u17's against us...you neva said that tho :)
I realise now it might have sounded like i directed it at u!
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