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How the Liverpool players and fans reactions though peteskee, they have had a 2-3 good games and they are going mad. Rierra, Cara and now skrytel coming out and saying this and that SHAME. Only in February did i start goind mad about the results United have been getting and that was after 10 wins in a row and 13 clean sheets. I pity the Liverpool fans honestly.

-napaman

No it wasnt because of the 10 straight wins that united and there fans went mad, its since they came behind liverpool with a game in hand (potentially on top of the log) that united and their fans went mad. Dont put words in my mouth either buddy, regardless of what you say, if liverpool dont win the league this season it would have still been a success in my eyes because ive never seen us in the title in april, this is the first time i have and im glad. So if you hear me go mad its coz of that! Every season we improving and united and its very clear united are hating that, now you cant handle what you give. Why is that?

Oh and to add, if you pumped real madrid 5-0 on agg. Liverpool 4-1 at Anfield and Villa 5-0 a week later, my man trust me united fans would probably be going sick right now!

First off all i wasnt speaking about you so i wasnt putting words in your mouth. Second of all at the end of jan early feb i said personally to peteskee that i am now finally happy that United are showing there class and waited along time for that because i felt and still feel that it takes more than two games for a team to show there potetial. Liverpool for as long as i can remember go through very good and very bad patches during a season, its the cosistancy that is there problem. Remember you even said that you accumulated more points from feb 2008 till the end of the season. No consistancy. Regardless of what YOU say if liverpool dont win the EPL this year the only people that will remember your title "race" sucess is the liverpool fans.  

First off all i wasnt speaking about you so i wasnt putting words in your mouth.

I was talking about when we went outside for a smoke break.

Liverpool for as long as i can remember go through very good and very bad patches during a season, its the cosistancy that is there problem.

Liverpool are sitting "4pts" behind the best team in the world, doing the double over the "top 2 teams in england and arguably in the world" how much more consistancy do you want. Whats your definition of consistancy? Man united only? If your winning streak describes your consitancy then does that mean in 2006 (i think might be 2007) that liverpool was consistant? They went on two 10 game winning streaks in one season!

Regardless of what YOU say if liverpool dont win the EPL this year the only people that will remember your title "race" sucess is the liverpool fans.

I have absolutely no problem with that because all we've wanted was to be in the running come april/may and not out by dec/jan like previous seasons - and i said that i'd be happy with this in the beggining of the season. I'm not completely happy with how things turned out because we threw a lot away, we could have been we'll ahead and thats something we've got learn from. You guys obviously wont see that because you havent had what we have over the seasons. But im not complaining. United deserve to be labeled the best in the world, pitty about their fans.

How much more consistancy do i want?  i want you to stay the same bud i think you are perfect the way you are. How much consistancy do you want on the other hand is different you want enough consistancy to WIN the epl not celebrate with 2nd.

How much more consistancy do i want?  i want you to stay the same bud i think you are perfect the way you are. How much consistancy do you want on the other hand is different you want enough consistancy to WIN the epl not celebrate with 2nd.

-napaman

Of course i wont be celebrating with 2nd! Thats would just be stupid

Of course i wont be celebrating with 2nd! Thats would just be stupid

-rafalution19

Im not understanding you. you said no matter what i say i cant take away the success youve had this year and obviously with success comes celebration if im right.

Well success as in "progressing" (or furtherest we've come in the prem) not success as in celebrating. Basically i think if we finish 2nd with fighting towards the end it will be a good season for us (of course comparing it to our previous 15 seasons/more than half my life). For you it wont be because you support united and you dont know what its like going through what we have so you'll never understand until you do. Only when you hit another 27years without a title you will. Do you honestly think united fans didnt say the things liverpool fans say now when they went through their drought? Of course not hey... Now that you believe only the champions are good teams and the rest are shit... What kind of football fan are you bro? I want to see what you gonna be like when you go through another drought.

http://www.redcafe.net/f6/man-utd-blame-form-slump-van-der-sar-shirt-colour-241501/

And then we make excuses!

http://www.redcafe.net/f7/scousers-240893/

These are true united fans Napa... Like you always say about the crap that true liverpools say "they know what they talking about"

Mate im not like that at all when it comes to sport and you know that.

I can find an example of you when you have become silent....in Formula 1 you used to be very loud about ferarri and you bought the little cars and i even bought you some once. but since ferrari havent done so well in the past couple of years you have become very quite about F1 and you say its boring. Please bud i support my team through thick and thin wether its soccer F1 or tennis. Ive watched 90% of all F1 races for the last 14 years, through Mclarens dominant time and their retarded(coulthard) time. I watch 100% of the grand slams and 60% of ATP tournies support Fererrer 100% even now that he is number 2..... who do you support now mate? Nadal init! is it cause he is #1 or because he is spanish i dont know. Dont tell me about supporting teams and wether i will support them through and through during bad times. I Love sport(although im not very good at most of them) and i pick a team or person and back them up till the end. Dont say that again it offends me. 

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These are true united fans Napa... Like you always say about the crap that true liverpools say "they know what they talking about"

-rafalution19

Whats your point?

You are posting from a Man United Forum between fans of our club and not a neutral forum. OFC things are going to be discussed there in a civil manner and Critism of our own club will be brought up. Thanks for going to visit our forum again Rafa youve done it quite often this year. It clearly shows that you are more concerned about our team than we are of yours. Would it be fair if I went to Liverpool forums at the beggining of the year and picked out posts about them slating Lucas and posting it here!!!!

Well you want to compare what i say to "true fans" and personally attack me once again and say im not a true fan. Well my friend here are the "true fans" of LFC and like I always say they know what they are talking about

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=194700.0

Dont only read the Main topic read the debate where they start talking about his stubbornous his terrible team selections, his negativity when he doesnt celebrate.

Just like you when you read our forums im not reading the positive stuff inside there about Rafa just the negative cause you clearly have selective reading vision and only see the negative stuff the United fans say on Redcafe.

I can find an example of you when you have become silent....in Formula 1 you used to be very loud about ferarri and you bought the little cars and i even bought you some once. but since ferrari havent done so well in the past couple of years you have become very quite about F1 and you say its boring.

Actually i stopped watching formula one when i started working in restaurants for like 4 years straight and it was hard to watch. Ferrari and Shumi were still winning then.. and i lost a bit of interest when they changed the rules coz shumi was dominating and since shumi retired i dont find it as exciting but thats me. I still love the sport but i dont know why you comparing because if you weigh up how much i support ferrari and how much i support liverpool it would be quite ridiculous. You like tennis and golf but can you really compare your support for Tiger woods and rodger federer to united? I dont think so! When i was working 14 hours a day i hardly even watched liverpool but please dont say that i was the one not watching formula one because you were the one that did when shumi dominated season in season out! I didnt!
And please dont ever say i personally attack you again!

Dont only read the Main topic read the debate where they start talking about his stubbornous his terrible team selections, his negativity when he doesnt celebrate.
Just like you when you read our forums im not reading the positive stuff inside there about Rafa just the negative cause you clearly have selective reading vision and only see the negative stuff the United fans say on Redcafe.

-napaman

Changing the topic again... They only reason why i showed you that forum wasnt to rip you off but to show you what united fans are thinking at the moment, and thats pretty far from what i have heard coming out of your mouth!

Well you want to compare what i say to "true fans" and personally attack me once again and say im not a true fan. Well my friend here are the "true fans" of LFC and like I always say they know what they are talking about

Im not saying you not a true fan. You the one that said that a few times this season and i quote "read what the liverpool fans say on teamtalk, they really know what they talking about" as if they are truer than me... Please my man! That forum came off your DIE hard website showing their concern for liverpool but all that comes out of your mouth is hate hate hate blah blah blah! Bias Unrealistic and proven that cant have a debate about football!

Heres a article from rwkop which is what ive been saying to you all the time.

William Gaillard calls Liverpool fans the worst in Europe as Barcelona v Espaynol  is held up for 8 minutes by rioting and Lazio fans persist in Nazi salutes whilst Roma fans are allowed to continue to throw flares and stab at will.

Meanwhile the Premier League allow Ferguson to get away with deliberate flouting of the media rules but complain when anyone else does it.

This is the organisation that flatly refuses to place into being a test to see if any of the world's richest men are remotely fit to buy up our national heritage, on some big tax free shopping spree (Buy Newcastle get one free..)

Nothing terribly difficult for us to complain about there, but aren't we,as fans, just as bad?

Liverpool fans call for more press reporting of the sick Hillsborough songs sung by Everton and Utd fans (and players allegedly) and then defend singing 2-0 to the murderers back to them, or Munich chants at OT last season as the constant abuse and barrage gets to them.

Here on the Liverpool board, a poster is applauded for telling people to put down their phones and cameras during matches, as the same people download and post their vids and pics of CL games past in celebration.

We despise the ownership of our club by two useless fuckwits who treat us a business on which to lay debt but want some foreign billionaire to buy us. From a country that doesn't recognise Yossi Benyaoun's country and probably wouldn't let him into theirs.

We bemoan that arsey-ness of Alex Ferguson's persistent abuse of the press and flouting of rules on match conferences, yet some applaud Joe Kinnear (wtf is he doing in the PL by the way) for telling the press to fuck off in the same way as the manc boss does.

We hate overcrowding and too many fans, given our tragic history yet secretly admire those who 'dupe' their way into most games, or use the term 'in's in'.

It's always been ok to make jokes and songs about oppo players. But when the fabled Kop wit is reduced to trading insults with lesser teams, when we can't see the wood for the trees, and when red turns on red because of their geographical location, because of what they choose to wear to the match and because they sing/don't sing, it's the beginning of the end.

Now I'll defend to the death anyone's right to say what they want, but I hate mancs and the blueshite and believe supporting Utd is a genetic disorder..

Hypocritical me? Ain't it what being a fan's all about?

And please don't defend the points above, you've missed the main point. We're all gobshites.

Its just the nature of the Sport and the nature of the fans Rafalution but when I do the things listed in the article you turn around and call me a hypocrite and say stupid thing like im not a true fan, dont know squat about soccer, Dont know soccer cause ive never played it, havent watched ball as long as you, dont support my team like you do. and blah blah you turn it into a personal attack on me and not what the debate is about.

When you do the things listed above i dont mind cause i know at the end of the day we are the same shit and we are both super stuborn about our team (so is shmilings, Marcia garcias wife, Peteskee, tak, vipsi all off us) and that is what is so amazing and what i love about us our undying total 100% support for our clubs in the public eye. OFC behind closed doors we can have decent chats about ball and Shmilingi and I discuss the pros and cons of our teams just like you do with Marcia Garcias wife. But with Me and Especially with me cause we see each other everyday for hours and can only have a decent chat for about 1 second and then turns into a slating of each others team because we can be civil for a short while only because we discuss things every day about ball and the rest of the time we argue about the neverending debate "who is better and who is shitter" because we got nothing else to talk about because its all been spoken about.

rant over.

as for your liverpool forum you pasted... Its normal! Ive slated rafa a few times when hes deserved it! Ive said a lot of things and later changed my mind! A season in football is a long time and everybodys views change from time to time. EG would i like to swap alonso for barry? NO

Changing the topic again... They only reason why i showed you that forum wasnt to rip you off but to show you what united fans are thinking at the moment, and thats pretty far from what i have heard coming out of your mouth!

-rafalution19

Go read what the same fans are saying on teamtalks forum and judge it for youself. You are going to a forum for man United supports, please do me a favour. Register on the website and type a post coming from you as a Liverpool supporter and see how the tone will change ASAP. they will go on the Defensive 100% guarenteed. There is no need for them to be defensive now because its amoungst themselve. Dont get confused about a discussion which they are having and debates that United and Pool supporters have.