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Peteskee, whats going down dawg... Silly season is up and running. What has happened to this place. It used to pump boys!!

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GW34

Almunia

Skrtel
Sagna
Terry

Ronaldo
Riera
Modric
Lampard

Owen
Drogba
Torres

Subs:
Schwarzer
Hangaland
Toure
T.Cahill

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Given

Terry
Corluka
Vidic (Bondio)

Ireland
Gerrard (c) (Legend)
Ronaldo (queer)
Lampard

Torres (vc) (Machine)
Robinho
Crouch

Subs:
Cech
Skrtel
Hangaland
Scholes (where he belongs)

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Reina

Carragher
Vidic
Terry
Corluka

Lampard
Modric
Ronaldo
Kranjcar

Torres
Drogba
Rooney

Subs:
James
Distin
Wheater
Downing

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Napa, i would like to post on your verbal comments you made about paul tomkins. The fact is he is obviously bias but there is no brain washing. You take it how you think! You think ive agread with everything he's ever said? No! He says it how it is but obviously he's gonna be bias in some way or another. Any fan/writer is! Theres no doubt about that. You cant read what he says without having an open mind, coz thats what he's doing - having an open mind. I dont see him making excuses about the loss like you said he did. In actual fact i didnt hear anyone with half a brain accossiated with liverpool say that chelsea did not deserve that score line. Tomkins is just trying to see the positive side of it, every fan should otherwise your team will go backwards the minute all this negativity comes in. I bet Rafa is keeping positive and so are the players, whats the point of getting all negative? I dont understand why you slate tomkins. What do you expect him to do? Come out and slate rafa and the players and start all this press shit? Please bud! If you gonna read a liverpool piece you got to do it with an open mind and not think of the counter without even giving the oak a chance. In his latest column he doesnt say anything bad about any team, just how it is.

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http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5143706,00.html

I dont care for what reasons he did it but there it is coming from the horses mouth itself (Sky). At the end of the day it was bad fixture slots for united but regardless, he did have the option (this was what i was trying to tell you). Seems like he could have sacrificed the champions league unless you beat porto away, if you do then it could have be a masterstroke decision.

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The tired performance was perhaps understandable given Ferguson gambled on playing Aston Villa on Sunday rather than Saturday because he would have had no time to get any training into some of his squad, including Tevez.

Heres the link (from your favourate place, i wont even show you the others):

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,2483_5160717,00.html

You see dawg, when i say to you i am 100% sure, believe me!

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hmmm, i know you used to united winning the league over and over, and i also think that they will win it again, i wish not but its the reality. Even a 7 game winning streak from here on for us wont guarantee us to be champions. However, to say you have won it already is foolish!

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Please update your signature, thats very disrespectful!

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Ok so every liverpool fan knows nothing about football and every man united fan knows everything. Thats why people cant handle united fans buddy, because you think we must bow down to everything you guys say just because you champions. Please my man, it doesnt matter if i post a topic written by a liverpool fan. Dont judge an article on the writer, judge it on what is said! In other words dont miss the point. Yes he is in favour of liverpool, but doesnt mean he is wrong. I actually think he's pretty fair. When united fans were going on about how rafa hass "lost the plot", or "he's cracking up" and "he's crazy" it was fine hey, that was all in order! Now, Fergie says stupid things like "Rafa has spent more up to date" (where even you disagreed) and walking out of post match inteviews and making excuses about the game hes a genius...as well as indirectly saying o'niell and moyes are better managers than rafa. That doesnt sound like mind games, that sounds like a cry baby.. Please my man give me a break, you say we talk shit, have you heard your manager lately? Now wonder John Riley has that headline.

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I was going to write a story to elaborate on that but through searching i came across this. I really couldn't elaborate better. Now im not bragging about recent results and i still think united will win the league but united fans had a lot to say about Rafa cracking up, hmmmm:

Sir Alex Ferguson: Who's Cracking Up Now?

Liverpool's subsequent succession of draws against lesser, obdurate opponents fed this.
The media highlighted Rafa's character assassination of Fergie as another example of Fergie's mind-games winning out.

Liverpool were seemingly surrending their best chance of a title in 19 years. A seven point lead turned into a seven point deficit.

The Merseyside club's annihilation of nine-time European Cup Champions Real Madrid 4-0 at Anfield (the Spanish clubs heaviest defeat in the Champions League) was dismissed. Real were "poor" and Manchester United would finish off Liverpool's anemic title challenge at Old Trafford.

The match began with the ground full of Manchester United fans crowing about Rafa "cracking up" and with Ronaldo scoring a penalty early on.

It ended with the ground half-empty, tens of thousands of Manchester United fans fleeing the scene of their clubs heaviest home defeat in 17 years, whilst the small pocket of Liverpool supporters joyfully sang an ironic chant of Rafa's Cracking Up.

Now I don't claim to be an expert in psychology but since the whistle blew at Old Trafford that day only one manager has been doing anything resembling "cracking up."

Sir Alex Ferguson—knight of the realm—locked himself away, hiding from television cameras. Refusing to speak to Sky, blaming them for the defeat. Despite the fact the fixture time had been suggested by the police, agreed to by both clubs and was known two months in advance.

When he deigned to speak to the media he claimed his team—after their heaviest home defeat in 17 years—had been the better team. Even the clubs official website didn't have the gall to keep those comments up too long, pulling them quickly.

A few days later he came across as laughably petty when he called the Spaniard "weird" and named Wenger, O'Neill, and Moyes as the best three managers in the EPL besides himself.

Managers, by chance, of clubs with no chance of winning the title.

Over Benitez with his two La Ligas, two European Cup Finals, and a team fresh from scoring eight goals past Real Madrid and Manchester United in a week.

Now he has been incensed by Rafa's assertion that Manchester United have greater financial resources, the Scot claims "I worked out in the last five years Liverpool have spent £24 million more than Manchester United."

"You will see Rafa produce an incredible spree. That is an absolute certainty now he has signed a new contract. They talk of a recession but there will not be one at Liverpool.

There is no doubt they will have a big spending purge. That is Rafa's way."

The Daily Telegraph, with some simple research dismiss this showing that in fact Manchester United have spent a net £40million more than Liverpool.

The reality is neither manager is 'cracking up,' but talk of Alex Fergusons prowess at mind games is laughable, a cop out by lazy journalists looking for an easy excuse.

Liverpool's 4-1 win at Old Trafford punctured that myth, as well as the hype around Manchester United relative ability (Vidic, best defender in the world? After that?).

Despite the defeat, with a four point lead and a game in hand Ferguson should be aloof and dismissive of Liverpool.
Instead Fergies comments betray his fears about Benitez, who is rapidly becoming his major rival—partly due to a power vacuum at Chelsea and with Wenger content to play a glorified youth team at Arsenal.

More importantly, coupled with stunning result at Old Trafford last weekend, they show that this season could just be getting very interesting.

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Fergie is cracking up dawg

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Typical, I see now where the confusion comes in with you. Please dont put words in my mouth and dont try find a alteria motive in what i say.
I meant that what your friend Guillem said is absolute bullshit.

-napaman

So Rafa cracks up by not celebrating goals but when Fergie refuses to have a post match inteview after getting destoryed he's a mastermind? Cant you see the what the press does? I really think he has a point. Press make people believe things that are inaccurate. I'm not been bias here. This is reality

Im here doggy, fuck me last month or so has been stressful and busy! We have actually changed JV partners and moved offices im now in Melrose Arch but my pc has been fucked as well so havent been able to receive my mail or fuck all!! Anyways should be back up and running smooth by the end of the week...i see ive missed quite a bit :)

Haha yea things are heating up here dawg!

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Peteskee!! Where you doggy?

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"I wonder, if Liverpool finish the season on 84 points and win thetitle, does this make Benitez a better manager than if he finishes theseason on 84 points, missing out on the title by a single point becauseUnited draw, rather than lose a particular game?"
If that happends 84 points wasnt enough to win the league and he is not good enough.

-napaman

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My point is simple you say i go mad when i talk football with you and every body says you go mad all the time.

-napaman

Yes yes! Only when you around, coz you provoke me. The rest of the liverpool fans wont waste their time with you, coz like i said its pointless. But i actually try help you by arguing, i dont like seeing my friends contradict themselves and sound like they dont know what they talking about when it comes to football (sometimes-dont take this too personally) . Next time, instead of thinking of a reversal (something bad to say) when someone is saying something good about liverpool. Think about it... Ask yourself, is it the truth or am i just about to be very bias again. I think that might help you. Buddy, im not personally attacking you, i just try help football debates for the future be more realistic. I at least try drop my hatred for united so that a conversation can be decent. But im telling you straight forward, that this is what you do before we even open conversation.

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Ya ok makes a good point if you are a liverpool supporter.

-napaman

It really doent matter if you are a liverpool supporter, or if he is. What he says is reality and what really happens. By the way i read "a season on the brink". Was actually a power book (for a liverpool fan)

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[image]Oaks clearly a Liverpool Supporter.

-napaman

I dont think he is, but whether he is or isnt, the oak has a point.

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My point is simple: We cant have a debate coz when someone says something about liverpool when im around, whether its positive or negative you have something VERY negative to say about it, almost every liverpool topic. I dont do the same when someone says something about united! END OF! This hasnt got anything to do with stubborness. Its got to do with your hatered for liverpool that prevents you from having a normal conversation with a liverpool fan that doesnt like to be walked all over. And although you could say positive things when you speaking to other liverpool fans (obviously ONLY if im not around)  they dont argue with you like i do, and besides they know that if they do they wont get anywhere. I'm different, but i have started to see their point.

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Go read what the same fans are saying on teamtalks forum and judge it for youself. You are going to a forum for man United supports, please do me a favour. Register on the website and type a post coming from you as a Liverpool supporter and see how the tone will change ASAP. they will go on the Defensive 100% guarenteed. There is no need for them to be defensive now because its amoungst themselve. Dont get confused about a discussion which they are having and debates that United and Pool supporters have.

-napaman

But thats what ive been telling you... Ive read alot of teamtalks forums and what united fans say... and ive read a lot of negativity and on their part. Including some of the players. Here is something very very interesting:

http://www.guillembalague.com/blog_desp.php?titulo=How%20do%20we%20judge%20Avram,%20Jose,%20Ferguson%20and%20Benitez?&id=263

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But with Me and Especially with me cause we see each other everyday for hours and can only have a decent chat for about 1 second and then turns into a slating of each others team because we can be civil for a short while only because we discuss things every day about ball and the rest of the time we argue about the neverending debate "who is better and who is shitter" because we got nothing else to talk about because its all been spoken about.

Buddy, 90% of our arguements start with you arguing about everything that you hear positive about liveprool! For you nothing is right with liverpool! When United was the best (is) i said it, when ronaldo was the best i said it (before he won his awards). When liverpool are playing shit i say it! I say what i see! I'm stubborn yes, but i know how to ease off with stubborness when it comes to football debates, you dont!

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as for your liverpool forum you pasted... Its normal! Ive slated rafa a few times when hes deserved it! Ive said a lot of things and later changed my mind! A season in football is a long time and everybodys views change from time to time. EG would i like to swap alonso for barry? NO

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Well you want to compare what i say to "true fans" and personally attack me once again and say im not a true fan. Well my friend here are the "true fans" of LFC and like I always say they know what they are talking about

Im not saying you not a true fan. You the one that said that a few times this season and i quote "read what the liverpool fans say on teamtalk, they really know what they talking about" as if they are truer than me... Please my man! That forum came off your DIE hard website showing their concern for liverpool but all that comes out of your mouth is hate hate hate blah blah blah! Bias Unrealistic and proven that cant have a debate about football!

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Dont only read the Main topic read the debate where they start talking about his stubbornous his terrible team selections, his negativity when he doesnt celebrate.
Just like you when you read our forums im not reading the positive stuff inside there about Rafa just the negative cause you clearly have selective reading vision and only see the negative stuff the United fans say on Redcafe.

-napaman

Changing the topic again... They only reason why i showed you that forum wasnt to rip you off but to show you what united fans are thinking at the moment, and thats pretty far from what i have heard coming out of your mouth!

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I can find an example of you when you have become silent....in Formula 1 you used to be very loud about ferarri and you bought the little cars and i even bought you some once. but since ferrari havent done so well in the past couple of years you have become very quite about F1 and you say its boring.

Actually i stopped watching formula one when i started working in restaurants for like 4 years straight and it was hard to watch. Ferrari and Shumi were still winning then.. and i lost a bit of interest when they changed the rules coz shumi was dominating and since shumi retired i dont find it as exciting but thats me. I still love the sport but i dont know why you comparing because if you weigh up how much i support ferrari and how much i support liverpool it would be quite ridiculous. You like tennis and golf but can you really compare your support for Tiger woods and rodger federer to united? I dont think so! When i was working 14 hours a day i hardly even watched liverpool but please dont say that i was the one not watching formula one because you were the one that did when shumi dominated season in season out! I didnt!
And please dont ever say i personally attack you again!